As the replacement Moderation page has developed the old bug so that permalinks no longer navigate to the appropriate comment, so here is yet another page for continuing discussion on moderating issues. The Rules can be found there so anyone with an issue should check that they are familiar with them.
The Skeptical Zone
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
richard’s posts (and almost always personally hostile in my case) are as vacuous as …
phoodoo,
Admins are only too well aware that patchy moderating makes us look bad. Being open and responsive to criticism helps to reduce the problem, I think.
Gregory, Phoodoo,
Any little nose tweaks I give are designed to help you stop, think and get perspective. Generally they come when Gregory is in “Creepy stalker / You’re all atheists mode” and Phoodoo is in “I’m opining about something I really don’t understand and I’ve done no basic research” mode.
I simply point out your posting histories here. If you have Butthurt, it’s because you posted things in the past that don’t reflect well on yourself and continue to do so.
I remain committed to helping you on your journeys of personal growth.
Alan puts it very well.
I spent some time thinking about this situation on my way to work this morning, and I can’t say I’m convinced that putting phoodoo in moderation for the night was appropriate. I do think it prevented a large cleanup effort by the admins this morning, but that’s what we’ve signed up for. I apologize to phoodoo for my bad judgement call.
Unless Lizzie changes the rules to explicitly allow it, I won’t use that technique again. I request that participants not repeatedly make Guano-worthy comments in a short period of time — whack-a-troll isn’t my favorite game.
I know! But without that I’m not sure I’d really feel like I belong here.
How delightfully self-deprecating! You must really be a delightful chap after all!
It’s just a shame you write what you really think at UD. You know that we can see that too, right?
Now if only you could see all the things I don’t write about you at UD.
To be honest, I don’t think I have ever mentioned you over there. That must hurt.
Nice try at a turnaround. However the use of the word “we” should have indicated something critical to you about my statement. But ‘misreading’ then addressing that misreading is par for your course.
See above.
In a thread where people get to whine about the moderation, you moved my post to guano? Wtf?
Let me guess, Patrick?
Although you were whining, it wasn’t about moderation. 😉
Patrick, Let me make this clear to you. Richard has already announced that his purpose is to interrupt any thread he can with meaningless nonsense, because he has this delusion that he is teaching something, by saying LOL.
As long as you continue to say THAT is Ok, then I am going to insult Richard back any way I chose. The only difference being that I will be funny, and Richard will continue to be Richard. But at least Richard won’t know he is being insulted, because I won’t cut and paste pictographs for him. Let’s just keep it our little secret, huh Patrick?
phoodoo,
Your going to be funny! Let’s us know when you’ve started.
phoodoo,
First, I’m not the only admin moving your comments to Guano. I do sleep on occasion.
Second, if you break the rules outside of Noyau, your comment will end up in Guano. Address the post, not the poster.
Patrick,
First, Are you saying you are not the one who moved that post? I don’t believe you. Then who moved it and why?
Second, Richard has made it clear that his intention on this site is to be annoying (tweak people’s noses as he calls it-he is a self appointed nun.) Well, guess what, I will now be just as annoying back to him, until you get sick of it, and all the other readers get sick of it. Then maybe you will finally deal with the source of the problem, which is Richard, who never addresses the post, and always just is annoying, because that is all he wants to, and can do here. So, now I will give Richard back exactly what he gives, and then everyone here will be sick of him.
So, since you won’t do your job, this is how it is. Hey Richard, you are a moron!
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Gregory,
I’m going to need a bit more detail. A URL, for example. Unless asking for this detail offends you too, of course.
Patrick,
I didn’t send it to you (and consider you unfit to be an admin); I provided the URL to another admin according to Lizzie’s statement. Please now move your post above and this one to moderation. Thanks.
Dude. That post in Guano was hilarious.
I just don’t understand why the mods can’t tell the difference between Guano and really funny shit.
Admins –
please Guano Gregory’s excessively personal comment.
Sorry, I hate to ask on my own behalf.
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Oops, fixed link 🙁
hotshoe_,
Done.
Gregory, please follow the rule about addressing the post not the poster.
phoodoo,
I’m sure I posted a comment pointing out that calling a fellow commenter a moron breaks the rule against implying a fellow commenter is mentally deficient or insane. Since you ask, I’d say calling someone an idiot is also against that rule. Whether “IDiot” counts, I’m not sure. It’s a play on words. Thoughts, anyone?
ETA strictly speaking I guess, any text of the form “you are a…” followed by any description intended to be insulting is against the rules.
Alan Fox,
If you Guano for “idiot” then it would seem only fair to do the same for “IDiot”
Those kinds of insults (“idiot”, “moron”, “asshole atheist”, “mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, cousin-breeding, Bible thumper”, etc.) all seem to me to violate the rule of address the post not the poster.
Patrick,
Mind you, this then opens a can of worms. You are a Darwinist, Sir. You atheist, you. Materialist swine!
I don’t really care about rules. Rule making and whining about enforcement seems juvenile amongst people trying to converse. I find it much simpler simply to scroll past posts that engage in name calling and the like.
I’m pretty sure I have broken this self-imposed vow, but I think that is rare. I could live in a world in which everyone simply ignored any post of mine that engaged in name calling or ad-hominem.
Alan Fox,
Don’t like it myself, though equally I’m not a huge fan of yet more Reasons To Guano.
However much I may resort to sarcasm, mockery and an antagonistic manner, my conscience is clear on the name-calling front!
I’m not particularly enamoured of IDiot either. OTOH I have used it in the 3rd person, and I do see a distinction between “You are an idiot” (clearly a rule-breaking insult) and “You are an IDiot” (I.e. member of a group that suffers from a specific idiocy, probably perjorative and therefore rule-breaking) . But we all suffer from some idiocy, whether mild or severe…
I love IDiotrope.
Re IDiot vs idiot, perhaps we should ask Gregory…
[ducks]
Gregory, guano-worthy again
Overly-personal comment against Sal.
oh lord, not Gregory again
That one’s just pure spite. Guano.
These should be moved to Moderation:
Gregory,
Follow your own links, Gregory. Perhaps you should refresh your browser cache more often.
How about if I say something like “Alan Fox is not as dumb as I thought”? Or “Atheists are not complete idiots”?
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FWIW, I don’t like ‘IDiot.’ Smacks of Gregory-style adolescent insult. If you don’t like a theory, say what’s wrong with it.
E.g., that all atheists are pathetic rat bastards is empirically verifiable.
😀
But some are more or less pathetic than others! The bastard part is unavoidable though. sorry.
Mung,
I have documents showing that my parents were married DAYS before I was born.
Me too. I’m not always polite, but I err on that side. It’s not because I’m nice especially, but because I find that lampooning or denigrating your opponent is rarely effectly and usually counter-productive.
And in any case, I’m usually intrigued by why they should think what they apparently do.
I am totally cool with getting better with the moderation, and removing insulting nonsense posts.
I just want to remind you, THIS is what gets guanoed from a theist : “That you are too stupid to understand that doesn’t make it wrong.”
I hope you are going to be consistent when atheists do the same thing from now on. Because you sure haven’t in the past.
Admins –
trash cleanup in “religious language” thread, please.
Gregory is doing a lot of name-calling at people:
“Patrick is quite obviously a petulant child”
“This [Patrick] is obviously a very sad, flat, myopic, empty, ignorant human being”
“Patrick is a ‘one-trick pony.’ ”
“You are a blight on this site’s ‘goals’, Patrick”
“A fellow atheist jumps in. Oh, smarty! Sad, empty, ignorant, bureaucratic soul.”
hotshoe_,
Unless it’s a violation of one of the banning rules, I don’t Guano comments directed at me.
I’m not sure that last one (“A fellow atheist jumps in. Oh, smarty! Sad, empty, ignorant, bureaucratic soul.”) is a rule violation. It’s damn weird, though.
Yeah, I understand that. Because we’ve already got too many people complaining about biased (anti-theist) moderation … you have to appear above suspicion, and not take action against the theist’s insults directed towards you personally.
So, should I message one of the other admins to take out Gregory’s trash?
I’m a little iffy about PMing, because I prefer this asking for Guano-ization to be open and public.
hotshoe_,
I think this is definitely the thread for such requests. I’m just explaining why I haven’t done it.
Plus it gives me the chance to do the whole thick-skinned masculine posturing thing. How you doin’?
IMHO, the rising complications of moderation are a symptom of TSZ growing as an interesting venue. These aren’t all bad problems to have in that sense.
Interesting venues unfortunately attract attention whores. Nothing wrong with being an attention whore if one is at least cute, but some personalities on this site — plain ugly and rude.
Yes, in a sense it’s a nice problem to have!
And I think the solution is for people to take the odd stroll away from the keyboard from time to time 🙂
Pretty simple, really….
stcordova,
That’s right, kiss up to the people you are intentionally gaming for your evangelical apologetics ‘exercises’, stcordova! 😉
Fanatical and crude is the calling card of the YECist/IDist posting here. And now we must add ‘maliciously confused.’
Sadly, ‘cute’ doesn’t seem to be a word one would acquaint with YECist/IDist stcordova, even though he clearly acts as an “attention whore”.
I’m definitely here for the attention myself. But I give it away for free, so not sure about the whore part. Attention slut maybe?
Mung,
Since this site is run by a Brit, I’d say that makes you a trollup.
stcordova is an ‘attention whore’, an ‘attention slut’ and a ‘trollup.’ He’s gaming you folks, don’t doubt that, because he’s told you that already. And he thinks this is ‘righteous’ Christian behaviour, as if ‘Christian’ and ‘IDist/YECist’ are synonymous. What a joke!
Hello admins.
Guano
My my, the King of Butthurt hasn’t lost his scepter.
Moderators-please explain why this post was moved to guano?
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Remember this was in a post where Tom English called Denise OLeeery a Click Bait Whore and he talks about the sadistic pleasures of bitch slapping her.
What rule did I break, that he didn’t with his entire rant?
I want my post restored to its original place.