As the replacement Moderation page has developed the old bug so that permalinks no longer navigate to the appropriate comment, so here is yet another page for continuing discussion on moderating issues. The Rules can be found there so anyone with an issue should check that they are familiar with them.
The Skeptical Zone
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken."
FWIW, I think he should post right from the temple.
The temple was destroyed in AD 70.
check this out
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150929-edit-distance-computational-complexity/
it’s an interesting angle on my tool
peace
You banned Joe for posting a pornographic image. Has Joe’s ban been rescinded? Or is it merely that you never intended Joe’s ban to be permanent, and you now figure that Joe has “served his time”, as it were?
Joe’s original account is still banned. The recently registered poster “Frankie” seems quite Joe-like, so I keep forgetting that I don’t know that he is Joe.
As long as Frankie does not violate the site rules, I’m reasonably happy that s/he stays.
I don’t know if you followed Rich’s link to a post by Joe Gallien at his blog which bears some similarity to Frankie’s comment here.
For someone who missed our on base equivalency and analyzed a sonnet to be a random string, I’d suggest a bit of humility.l
Yeah, well, it’s probably Joe.
I’m happy to maintain the fiction that it might not be as long as he doesn’t post porn. I suspect he may have learned his lesson.
Apparently not. On current trends, the insult level is on a rising trend. I’m hesitant to suggest it but pre-moderation might be a least-worst option
Alan Fox, Please read what I am responding to. Only an ass would look at what I say and think it exists in isolation.
Thank you for being a Barry Jr
So it couldn’t be that I saw that blog post and followed it here? Really?!!?
Frankie, please read the rules, and try to stick to them.
We simply do not have the staff to keep moving stuff to guano, so we rely on a certain amount of self-moderation. If there isn’t enough, then the alternative is to use the moderation queue, which is not ideal as it spoils the flow of conversation.
So please try to stick to the rules, thanks.
It’s called a design inference. Not that I’d expect you to understand….
Worst Halloween disguise evar.
Just another of Joe’s many readers who eventually followed a link to this site.
If I’ve seen it once–no, wait, I haven’t seen it once.
Glen Davidson
We should all know by now that you can’t determine common descent merely from apparent derivation.
The Designer might step in at any time to cause derivation without any kind of mere material, atheistic mechanisms. IOW, it could just be a miracle–which you evil atheists simply won’t allow in your world.
Glen Davidson
It might be prudent to at least disallow posting of images by certain commenters.
Yes, imagine how much we could lose by spoiling the flow of Frankie’s conversation.
Glen Davidson
Frankie,
Yeah, could be! What’s your opinion of Gallien’s output then? Is he a perceptive gadfly? Intellectual giant running rings around pathetic evos? Repetitious fuckwit incapable of following a simple argument?
Forgot to mention the noyau thread. It might be the best place for Frankie’s comments and for those who wish to respond.
Alan Fox,
Don’t want Noyau cluttered up with senseless bickering! 🙂
Maybe a Frankie thread, like they have at AtBC for Gaulin and … er … Joe.
(Because his arguments are pure dynamite and we can’t refute so have to contain, of course).
Allan Miller,
It’s an idea – and only needs somebody to start an OP. Not sure if it would make admins’ lives easier, though. 😉
I can live with Joe posting here, but I wish others wouldn’t respond.
I tend to agree. Having one’s posts ignored feels to me like the ultimate censure – far worse than bannination.
petrushka,
Fair enough. Consider it zipped.
seconded. I’ll pick at another scab somewhere else.
You missed one of Adapa’s posts that doesn’t address the comments and contains personal attacks.
Frankie,
There are probably many comments that might qualify for moving to guano.
Compared to this blog’s output Intelligent Reasoning is way above it.
The regulars need to stick to the rules. The two-faced approach is as boring as UD.
Alan Fox is out of control. Adapa posts an insulting comment, I respond but only my comment ends up in guano.
Sick and pathetic
Frankie,
Copy me the specific phrase you are objecting to, Joe.
I am seeing a post by Adapa in guano.
Neil Rickert,
I only moved Adapa’s comment as it was responding to a guano’d Frankie comment. I think I could make a case for not moving the comment Frankie is referring to to guano.
Deleting comments is against the rules. It simply isn’t done here at TSZ. Or have I been lied to yet again?
I suppose that’s better than being lied about, which also doesn’t seem to matter here at TSZ.
Which comment are you referring to?
Yesterday, I found a comment of yours in the moderation queue. There was no reason for it to be in moderation, except that when someone deletes their own message it goes to moderation. I moved it to trash. If that’s the one you are referring to, then I jumped to a wrong conclusion and can restore it.
You should be able to get to the trash list from the dashboard, if you want to check.
Trying to kid a kidder Neil?
When someone tries to delete their own message they are asked for a reason.
What reason did I give for requesting the deletion of my comment?
I have no idea. If those reasons are recorded somewhere, I do not know where. I have never seen that dialog.
What I saw was that your comment was marked for moderation and not publically visible. The usual way that happens, as far as I know, is that the author deleted it. But it is also possible that it could be marked for moderation by mistake.
Again, if you want it restored, I will happily oblige. There’s no reason I can see that anyone else would want it deleted. On the other hand, there’s no reason I can see that anyone would find it at all informative.
Neil, when you tested your deletion of your own comment, could you not tell that you requested it’s deletion?
I’m saying I don’t see any evidence that I requested the deletion of my comment.
What does your research indicate?
No. I could not see where the reason was stored. It just looked like a message that was in moderation for no documented reason (except I knew that I had deleted it).
For those wondering, I posted a test message as my alter ego (so as to not be a moderator), who then deleted it. That put it in moderation, and I later trashed it (as moderator). If you know where to look for trash, you can see it there. I think anyone with author privileges can see trash.
Is the issue of mung’s moderated comment resolved now? Looking in trashed comments leads me to think so. Am I right in understanding that mung put his own comment into moderation by deleting it?
Having seen mung’s first post I recall putting it in moderation. Mystery solved.
The post appeared to be nothing more than insult. I thought it belonged in guano. I didn’t see any options. I figured a moderator would sort it out.
It was some time before I saw mung’s complaint. His complaint read as if he had been unjustly deprived of something valuable. I didn’t put it in guano because I didn’t see that option. I figured if a mod thought it was acceptable, it would be released. It didn’t occur to me it would be deleted.
But now we can all see it for the brilliant argument it was.
Deleting comments is certainly not supposed to be done at TSZ.
And lying about people is indeed against the rules. The latter is harder to judge, though, because people can be honestly mistaken.
You should ask for a refund for the price you paid then!
Hi Petrushka,
I moved your comment here as it pertains to the discussion here. See Lizzie’s comment above. Authors still retain the technical ability to delete posts but you are asked not to use this facility. Only admins can move posts. One solution would be to offer your services as admin.
Mung@UD
I read that as saying if Caitlyn Jenner can call herself a woman then Barry’s left shoe can also be said to be a woman.
So, perhaps you do or don’t have a history of bigoted anti-homosexual behaviour but you certainly are a horrible person regardless. Who are you to say how others see themselves?
Or perhaps you meant something different by that comment to what I have read into it. If so, please do clarify.
Barry is a revolting wad in his OP.
A decent human being — if they chose to respond at all — would make it absolutely clear that Barry is not only wrong in fact but a harmful bigot to say the things he says.
Mung — who apparently has protected standing at UD — could have taken down Barry’s smug hatred of everyone who doesn’t fit in his little white boxes.
What a decent person should not do is make some kind of smartass remark about shoes being Man-of-the-Year.
I don’t think Mung’s comment was particularly egregious. It’s not, as a stand-alone, anywhere near as revolting as BA’s post. But it’s not decent.
I feel let down. I always expect better of Mung.
hotshoe_,
Me too. He has demonstrated the ability to be an interesting and engaging commenter. Then he spends a few weeks being a tool. Try as he might, I don’t think he has the core meanness of spirit that the UD inner circle demonstrate.
For the record, I haven’t seen anything from him I would characterize as anti-gay. If that claim was made, it should be supported or retracted.
Great sleuthing job Alan! Is it any wonder Elizabeth has such faith in her admins?
I don’t think Petrushka intended to delete the comment. When you author an OP you have available a number of options available for posts made by other participants in the thread. One of those is to request moderation or to place in moderation, at the moment I don’t recall the exact text.
But the effect is that the post doesn’t appear and it also doesn’t get moved to Guano. Simple enough mistake to make.
But frankly petrushka, I think the comment was restrained and rather tame. If that’s what passes for Guano these days there is a significant amount of work waiting for the moderators.