I have been asking this question at UD and it is probably one of the reasons why I got banned…Exposing Christian hypocrisy was probably the nail in the coffin though…or so I see it. Am I right?
Well, who is a True Christian first of all? What qualities would someone have to have to meet the criteria of a True Christian?
I would like to hear atheists and agnostic first before those who think that they are True Christians, without taking anything from their dignity….
I personally enjoy watching movies about Jesus, and how he exposed the hypocrisies of the self-righteous, religious people…
What do you all think?
Christians are not perfect. We are all shaped by our culture and the time and place that we live.
Not in the slightest, should it?
Revelation is not remotely the same thing as interpretation.
Of course.
The trick is to convince others with access to the same revelation that you are interpreting that revelation correctly and not conducting Eisegesis .
That is easier said than done. It makes for lots of debate often loud and heated.
It’s been my experience that long as one side does not censor the others or claim some sort of special ecclesiastical authority truth eventually wins out.
That’s what most baptists believe anyway 😉
peace
It doesn’t surprise m in the least that you give the text the worst possible reading.
It certainly doesn’t say you can beat your slaves as much as you like as long as you don’t kill them. Not even close. Nor does it advocate beating them to near death.
Do you think treatment of children was any different from treatment of slaves?
Let’s hear the Mungslation of this verse:
What does it actually mean, O Bible Scholar?
Speaking of would-be Bible scholars:
fifth, quoting Matthew:
newton:
fifth:
Of course it does. God commands that Hebrew slaves get freed after seven years. Foreign slaves are kept forever and passed on to one’s children.
Haven’t you read the Bible, fifth?
P.S. There’s also this nice bit:
Yup. It only took 2000 years for Christians do come to the truth that slavery is wrong. Only 2000 years to come to the truth that homosexuality isn’t a sin. Oops, not there yet. Only 2000 years to come to the truth that it is wrong to hit your wife.
Acartia,
And there are still idiots who think it’s wrong for women to teach men, on account of this verse:
Objective morality should not be.
Then even an omnipotent God can’t reveal stuff so we know it is true except with respect to our culture and time.
The Southern Baptists who believed the Bible supported slavery did not believe in revelation, that God revealed stuff through His divinely inspired word?
How do you know? Sorry, irresistible.
No, it is hardwired in us. Those outside the group are different. For the Southern Baptists, their Bible justified that belief.
That is incorrect. As I just pointed out. The Bible makes it clear that all humanity is our kin.
The Baptists who tried to justify race based slavery did not learn it from the Bible.
On the other hand those Christians who preached against that sort thing did appeal to Scripture
The objective part comes from the revelation not the interpretation
They did not believe that the Bible supported slavery .
They wrongly interpreted the bible as being neutral on the subject of slavery. That is what eisegesis is all about.
All men are excellent lawyers when it comes to justifying their own behavior.
revelation 😉
quote:
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
(1Co 15:25)
end quote:
peace
…quotes fifth, while hiding behind his ‘Ignore’ button.
newton:
fifth:
That is incorrect. As I just pointed out. In the Bible, God instructs us to treat foreigners, and females sold by their fathers into slavery, much worse than their male Hebrew counterparts.
Your head is in the sand, fifth.
It’s obviously teaching slave owners that they ought to beat their slaves as much as they like, as often as they like, and as viciously as they like, but do try to not kill them in so doing. Don’t you agree?
And anyone who trusts you to be objective is a fool.
keiths:
Mung:
No. It’s teaching them that if they beat a slave to within an inch of his or her life, but the slave survives a day or two, then the owner is off the hook.
Is that A-OK with you, Mung?